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S8700B,D-F,J-M DIRECT SPARK IGNITION CONTROLS

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Fig. 9. S8700 Direct Spark Ignition system troubleshooting guide.

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NOTE: BEFORE STARTING TO TROUBLESHOOT THIS SYSTEM:
1.  UNDERSTAND THE APPLIANCE SEQUENCE OF OPERATION AS DEFINED BY THE APPLIANCE
     MANUFACTURER.
2.  ASSURE APPLIANCE INPUT POWER SUPPLY AND GAS SUPPLY ARE CORRECT AND TURNED ON.

WITH APPLIANCE POWERED AND GAS SUPPLY ON, SET
TEMPERATURE CONTROL TO GENERATE A CALL FOR HEAT

LED FLASHES SHOWING S8700 IS POWERED. [LED
FLASHES QUICKLY FOR A SHORT TIME AT START UP, 
THEN MOVES TO STEADY ON/OFF PATTERN]

LED FLASHES STEADY ON/OFF CONFIRMING
SAFE START CHECK COMPLETED SUCCESSFULLY.

WAIT FOR PREPURGE DELAY [S8700J, K, L,
M MODELS ONLY – 30 SECONDS TYPICAL]

SPARK OUTPUT ENERGIZED; STRONG
SPARK AT SPARK ELECTRODE

MAIN BURNER GAS CONTROL ENERGIZED.
MAIN BURNER LIGHTS DURING TRIAL FOR
IGNITION.

MAIN BURNER STAYS ON WHEN
TRIAL FOR IGNITION ENDS.

MAIN BURNER STAYS ON THROUGH
END OF CALL FOR HEAT.

CALL FOR HEAT ENDS.
SYSTEM SHUTS OFF.

TROUBLESHOOTING ENDS.

CHECK AND REPAIR LINE VOLTAGE POWER, LOW VOLTAGE TRANSFORMER, LIMIT
CONTROLLERS, THERMOSTATS, WIRING, COMBUSTION AIR BLOWERS AIRFLOW
PROVING SWITCHES AND OTHER CONTROL COMPONENTS THAT PREVENT
POWER FROM REACHING THE IGNITION CONTROL. SEE FIG. 2 AND 3.

CONFIRM 24 VAC BETWEEN THE 24 VAC AND
THE 24 VAC (GND) TERMINALS OF S8700.

IF CONTROL LOCKS OUT [LED ON STEADY],
CHECK FOR FLAME AT MAIN BURNER.

REPLACE S8700

REPLACE S8700

REPLACE S8700

REPLACE S8700

REPLACE GAS CONTROL

IF S8700 GOES INTO LOCKOUT, RESET SYSTEM.
CHECK ALL IGNITION CABLE, BURNER GROUND WIRING, AND CERAMIC 
INSULATION FOR LOOSE CONNECTIONS, POOR INSULATION, CRACKING, AND 
MOISTURE. CHECK THAT SPARK GAP IS NOT TOO SMALL OR TOO LARGE. ALL OK?

REPAIR/REPLACE
AS NECESSARY

REPAIR/REPLACE
AS NECESSARY

IF S8700 GOES INTO LOCKOUT, RESET SYSTEM.
CHECK FOR 24 VAC BETWEEN S8700 VALVE AND
VALVE (GND) TERMINALS DURING TRIAL FOR IGNITION.

CHECK GAS SUPPLY, GAS CONTROL, AND GAS 
CONTROL WIRING. REPAIR/REPLACE AS NECESSARY.

IF S8700 GOES INTO LOCKOUT, RESET SYSTEM.
CHECK ALL IGNITION CABLE, BURNER GROUND WIRING, AND CERAMIC 
INSULATION FOR LOOSE CONNECTIONS, CRACKING, SHORTS TO APPLIANCE
CHASSIS. CHECK FLAME ROD FOR CONTAMINATION, DAMAGE, CONTACT WITH 
BURNER. CONFIRM THAT MAIN FLAME ENVELOPES THE FLAME SENSE ROD 
AND BURNER GROUND TO ALLOW PROPER FLAME SENSE. ALL OK?

IF S8700 GOES INTO LOCKOUT, RESET SYSTEM.
CONFIRM 24 VAC BETWEEN THE 24 VAC AND 24 VAC (GND) TERMINAL ON S8700. CHECK FLAME ROD, FLAME ROD 
WIRING, AND BURNER GROUND FOR GOOD CONNECTION. ALSO CHECK FLAME ROD INSULATORS AND WIRING 
FOR EXCESSIVE HEAT. TEMPERATURES ABOVE 1000F CAN CAUSE BREAKDOWN IN CERAMIC INSULATION.
NOTE: IF BURNER GROUND IS POOR OR ERRATIC, OR LEADWIRE OR CERAMIC TEMPERATURES ARE TOO HIGH,
SHUTDOWNS MAY OCCUR EVEN IF OPERATION IS NORMAL AT TIME OF CHECKOUT. THIS TYPE OF SITUATION IS 
HIGHLY UNLIKELY TO BE CAUSED BY THE S8700 CONTROL. REPAIR/REPLACE FLAME ROD AND WIRING AS NECESSARY.

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NOTES:
– B, D, J AND K MODELS GO THROUGH ONE TRIAL FOR IGNITION PERIOD BEFORE LOCKOUT.

– E, F, L AND M MODELS GO THROUGH THREE TRIAL FOR IGNITION PERIODS (WITH A 30 SECOND
   INTERPURGE PERIOD BETWEEN EACH TRIAL FOR IGNITION.) BEFORE LOCKOUT CONTROL STARTS 
   ANOTHER IGNITION SEQUENCE AUTOMATICALLY AFTER ONE HOUR.

– CONTROL IS IN LOCKOUT WHEN VALVE IS CLOSED, SPARK IS OFF, ALARM IS ACTIVATED AND 
   LED IS ON STEADY. ON E, F, L, M MODELS, ONE HOUR AUTO RESET TIMER IS ALSO ACTIVATED.

REPEAT PROCEDURE UNTIL TROUBLE-FREE OPERATION IS OBTAINED.

Summary of Contents for S8700 Series

Page 1: ...tput is positive phase one half wave rectified 24 Vac Spark Output 14 KV minimum into 25 picofarad capacitive load Environmental Ambient Operating Temperature 40 F to 175 F 40 C to 79 C Relative Humidity 5 to 95 at 95 F 35 C noncondensing Ignition Sequence Flame Sense Prepurge See Table 1 Ignition Trials to Lockout See Table 1 Trial for Ignition Times 4 6 6 6 11 1 or 21 1 second nominal available ...

Page 2: ... to protect the control Proper insulation or shielding should be provided by the appliance manufacturer verify proper air circulation is maintained when the appliance is installed System Requirements S8700 system requirements Q347A Spark Igniter and Q354A Flame Sensor or a Q366 with separate spark igniter and flame sensor mounted on a common bracket Equivalent ignition hardware may be used Honeywe...

Page 3: ...ontrol 1 Connect the system components to the S8700 terminals as shown in the wiring diagrams Fig 2 and 3 Refer to the heating appliance manufac turer s instructions for wiring any other auxiliary controls 2 Adjust the temperature control heat anticipator if provided to match the system current draw The current draw equals the total current required for the S8700 0 15A plus the gas valve and all o...

Page 4: ...t System 1 Turn on the power and the gas supply 2 Set the temperature control to call for heat and watch for a spark at the igniter S8700B D E F models have no delay on start up S8700J K L M models have a predetermined delay on start up for prepurge Check that the system starts as follows Prepurge delay if provided spark turns on gas valve opens at once and burner ignites after gas reaches the mai...

Page 5: ...the reset normal condition and interrupts the spark ignition circuit Should the current flow be interrupted i e flame out condition the spark will be re initiated immediately and a normal trial for ignition will occur If the main burner lights and proves a normal run will occur If the main burner does not light and prove the S8700 goes into lockout The S8700 keeps the gas control main valve open a...

Page 6: ...gnition circuit do the following 1 Shut off the gas supply to the gas control 2 Be sure system power supply delivers proper volt age to the S8700 during the ignition cycle 3 Disconnect the ignition cable at the S8700 spark terminals to isolate the circuit from the spark igniter or igniter sensor Prepare a short jumper lead using heavily insulated wire such as ignition cable Fig 4 S8700B D J K one ...

Page 7: ...y even though operation is normal at time of checkout Therefore if nuisance shutdowns have been reported be sure to check ground connections Electrical ground connections at the spark igniter or igniter sensor and the S8700 must be clean and tight If leadwire is damaged or deteriorated use only a No 14 or No 18 gauge moisture resistant thermoplastic insulated wire with 221 F 105 C minimum rating a...

Page 8: ...ions as described in the following sections Fig 6 S8700D F K M dual rod flame current measurement Fig 7 S7800B E J L single rod flame current measurement Burner Flame The flame sensor must be constantly immersed in flame Check the burner flame conditions as shown in Fig 7 NOTE Note If the main burner flame is fluctuating or lifting off the main burner intermittent flame signals can be generated Ad...

Page 9: ...ce or repair the troubleshooting sequence should be repeated until normal system operation is obtained NOTE When the appliance is in the lightoff mode ignition spark and the gas control are energized only during the trial for ignition which can last from four to 21 seconds depending on the S8700 model It will be necessary to recycle the call for heat to the control while performing this troublesho...

Page 10: ...SPARK GAP IS NOT TOO SMALL OR TOO LARGE ALL OK REPAIR REPLACE AS NECESSARY REPAIR REPLACE AS NECESSARY IF S8700 GOES INTO LOCKOUT RESET SYSTEM CHECK FOR 24 VAC BETWEEN S8700 VALVE AND VALVE GND TERMINALS DURING TRIAL FOR IGNITION CHECK GAS SUPPLY GAS CONTROL AND GAS CONTROL WIRING REPAIR REPLACE AS NECESSARY IF S8700 GOES INTO LOCKOUT RESET SYSTEM CHECK ALL IGNITION CABLE BURNER GROUND WIRING AND ...

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