Supermicro 1027R-73DAF, User Manual

Page 1: ...SUPERSERVER 1027R 73DAF SUPER USER S MANUAL 1 0...

Page 2: ...ny such disputes Super Micro s total liability for all claims will not exceed the price paid for the hardware product FCC Statement This equipment has been tested and found to comply with the limits f...

Page 3: ...verboard and the SC113TQ 563CB chassis Chapter 2 Server Installation This chapter describes the steps necessary to install the SuperServer 1027R 73DAF into a rack and check out the server configuratio...

Page 4: ...the serverboard Chapter 6 Advanced Chassis Setup Refer to Chapter 6 for detailed information on the SC113TQ 563CB server chassis You should follow the procedures given in this chapter when installing...

Page 5: ...Notes Preface v...

Page 6: ...3 Preparing for Setup 2 1 Choosing a Setup Location 2 1 2 4 Warnings and Precautions 2 2 Rack Precautions 2 2 Server Precautions 2 2 Rack Mounting Considerations 2 3 Ambient Operating Temperature 2 3...

Page 7: ...Redundant Power Supplies 4 12 Backplane Voltage 4 13 Comply with Local and National Electrical Codes 4 14 Product Disposal 4 15 Hot Swap Fan Warning 4 16 Power Cable and AC Adapter 4 18 Chapter 5 Adva...

Page 8: ...Static Sensitive Devices 6 1 Precautions 6 1 6 2 Control Panel 6 2 6 3 System Cooling 6 2 System Fan Failure 6 2 6 4 Drive Bay Installation Removal 6 4 Accessing the Drive Bays 6 4 Hard Drive Install...

Page 9: ...to the serverboard and chassis various hardware components have been included with the 1027R 73DAF as listed below Six 4 cm counter rotating fans FAN 0086L4 Two passive CPU heatsinks SNK P0047PS One a...

Page 10: ...C UDIMM DDR3 1600 1333 1066 800 type memory See Chapter 5 for details SAS A total of eight SAS 2 0 ports are provided with an LSI 2308 SAS controller RAID levels 0 1 and 10 are supported Note The oper...

Page 11: ...Power The 1027R 73DAF features one 560W power supply The system needs to be shut down when removing or replacing the power supply module Control Panel The control panel provides important system moni...

Page 12: ...x8 PCIE 3 0 x8 PCIE 3 0 x8 PCIE 3 0 x4 SAS LSI LAN1 LAN2 RJ45 RJ45 LAN3 LAN4 RJ45 RJ45 SAS2308 Powerville I350 AM4 Quad GLAN J26 SLOT 6 L SAS0 3 L SAS4 7 J21 SLOT 1 PCIE 3 0 x8 DDR3 DIMM H G 2 1 DDR3...

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Page 15: ...the server It should be situated in a clean dust free area that is well ventilated Avoid areas where heat electrical noise and electromagnetic fields are generated You will also need it placed near a...

Page 16: ...ponent from the rack You should extend only one component at a time extending two or more si multaneously may cause the rack to become unstable Server Precautions Review the electrical and general saf...

Page 17: ...sible overloading of circuits might have on overcurrent protection and power supply wiring Appropriate consideration of equipment nameplate ratings should be used when addressing this concern Reliable...

Page 18: ...n the assembly procedure will differ slightly The following is a guideline for installing the 1027R 73DAF into a rack with the rack rails provided You should also refer to the instal lation instructio...

Page 19: ...server rack Attach the inner rail extension to stabilize the chassis within the rack Installing the Inner Rails Figure 2 2 1 Place the inner rack extensions on the side of the chassis aligning the hoo...

Page 20: ...ame direction 2 Adjust both the short and long brackets to the proper distance so that the rail fits snugly into the rack 3 Secure the long bracket to the front side of the outer rail with two M5 scre...

Page 21: ...Chapter 2 Server Installation 2 7 SCALE 0 380 Figure 2 4 Installing the Outer Rails to the Rack 1 2 1 3 1 3...

Page 22: ...re even on both sides you may have to depress the locking tabs when inserting When the server has been pushed completely into the rack you should hear the locking tabs click 4 Optional Insert and tigh...

Page 23: ...nd out the front of the rack Larger chassis should be positioned to balance the weight between front and back If a bezel is included on your server remove it Then attach the two front brackets to each...

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Page 25: ...tton to reboot the system Power This is the main power button which is used to apply or turn off the main system power Turning off system power with this button removes the main power but keeps standb...

Page 26: ...tivated When this LED flashes red it indicates a fan failure When red continuously it indicates an overheat condition which may be caused by cables obstructing the airflow in the system or the ambient...

Page 27: ...2 when flashing NIC2 Indicates network activity on LAN1 when flashing HDD Indicates DVD ROM hard drive activity when flashing Power Indicates power is being supplied to the system s power supply units...

Page 28: ...tivity A connection to the SATA backplane enables this LED to blink on and off when that particular drive is being accessed Red The red LED indicates two states When blinking it indicates the drive is...

Page 29: ...nt for assistance Only certified technicians should attempt to install or configure components Read this appendix in its entirety before installing or configuring components in the Supermicro chassis...

Page 30: ...considere los riesgos de la corriente el ctrica y familiar cese con los procedimientos est ndar de prevenci n de accidentes Al final de cada advertencia encontrar el n mero que le ayudar a encontrar e...

Page 31: ...l kan veroorzaken Voordat u aan enige apparatuur gaat werken dient u zich bewust te zijn van de bij een elektrische installatie betrokken risico s en dient u op de hoogte te zijn van de standaard proc...

Page 32: ...ie en des Systems an die Stromquelle die Installationsanweisungen lesen Advertencia Lea las instrucciones de instalaci n antes de conectar el sistema a la red de alimentaci n Attention Avant de branch...

Page 33: ...ert ist Stellen Sie sicher dass der Nennwert der Schutzvorrichtung nicht mehr als 250 V 20 A betr gt Advertencia Este equipo utiliza el sistema de protecci n contra cortocircuitos o sobrecorrientes de...

Page 34: ...eift um Systemsbestandteile anzubringen oder zu entfernen Warning The system must be disconnected from all sources of power and the power cord removed from the power supply module s before accessing t...

Page 35: ...nentes de sistema Attention Le syst me doit tre d branch de toutes les sources de puissance ainsi que de son cordon d alimentation secteur avant d acc der l int rieur du chassis pour installer ou enle...

Page 36: ...rnung Das Installieren Ersetzen oder Bedienen dieser Ausr stung sollte nur geschultem qualifiziertem Personal gestattet werden Advertencia Solamente el personal calificado debe instalar reemplazar o u...

Page 37: ...stallation in Bereichen mit beschr nktem Zutritt vorgesehen Der Zutritt zu derartigen Bereichen ist nur mit einem Spezialwerkzeug Schloss und Schl ssel oder einer sonstigen Sicherheitsvorkehrung m gli...

Page 38: ...ame or equivalent type recommended by the manufacturer Dispose of used batteries according to the manufacturer s instructions Waarschuwing Dit apparaat is bedoeld voor installatie in gebieden met een...

Page 39: ...ecommand e par le fabricant Jeter les piles usag es conform ment aux instructions du fabricant Advertencia Existe peligro de explosi n si la bater a se reemplaza de manera incorrecta Reemplazar la bat...

Page 40: ...para fuentes de alimentaci n Para cortar por completo el suministro de energ a deben desconectarse todas las conexiones Attention Cette unit peut avoir plus d une connexion d alimentation Pour suppri...

Page 41: ...ero es peligroso Tenga cuidado cuando lo revise Attention Lorsque le syst me est en fonctionnement des tensions lectriques circulent sur le fond de panier Prendre des pr cautions lors de la maintenanc...

Page 42: ...lectrical codes Warnung Die Installation der Ger te muss den Sicherheitsstandards entsprechen Advertencia La instalacion del equipo debe cumplir con las normas de electricidad locales y nacionales Bac...

Page 43: ...ional laws and regulations Attention L quipement doit tre install conform ment aux normes lectriques nationales et locales Waarschuwing Bij installatie van de apparatuur moet worden voldaan aan de lok...

Page 44: ...seguir todas las leyes y reglamentos nacionales Attention La mise au rebut ou le recyclage de ce produit sont g n ralement soumis des lois et ou directives de respect de l environnement Renseignez vo...

Page 45: ...dedos los destornilladores y todos los objetos lejos de las aberturas del ventilador Attention Il est possible que les ventilateurs soient toujours en rotation lorsque vous retirerez le bloc ventilat...

Page 46: ...dapter kann zu einer Fehlfunktion oder ein Brand entstehen Elektrische Ger te und Material Safety Law verbietet die Verwendung von UL oder CSA zertifizierte Kabel UL oder CSA auf der Code f r alle and...

Page 47: ...utres appareils lectriques que les produits d sign s par Supermicro seulement AC AC UL CSA UL CSA UL CSA Supermicro UL CSA AC Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Law UL CSA UL CSA Waarschuwing Bi...

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Page 49: ...hand under the center of the board to support it when handling The following measures are generally sufficient to protect your equipment from electric static discharge Precautions Use a grounded wris...

Page 50: ...nector locations SATA and SAS drive data cables SAS0 SAS7 Control Panel cable JF1 Important Make sure the the cables do not come into contact with the fans Connecting Power Cables The X9DRD 7LN4F has...

Page 51: ...1 COM Port 1 7 Gb LAN Port 1 2 USB Port 0 8 Gb LAN Port 3 3 USB Port 1 9 Gb LAN Port 2 4 Dedicated IPMI LAN 10 Gb LAN Port 4 5 USB Port 2 11 VGA Port 6 USB Port 3 12 UID Button 1 1 1 9 1 7 1 8 1 5 1...

Page 52: ...ing any hardware components Make sure that you install the processor into the CPU socket before you install the CPU heatsink If you buy a CPU separately make sure that you use an Intel certified multi...

Page 53: ...ARNING plastic cap from the socket 5 Use your thumb and index finger to hold the CPU by its edges Align the CPU keys which are semi circle cutouts against the socket keys 6 Once they are aligned caref...

Page 54: ...the CPU is aligned properly 7 With the CPU in the socket in spect the four corners of the CPU to make sure that they are flush with the socket 8 Close the load plate Lock the lever labeled Close 1st t...

Page 55: ...our screws Removing the Heatsink Caution We do not recommend removing the CPU or the heatsink However if you do need to remove the heatsink please follow the instructions below to prevent damage to th...

Page 56: ...orrectly see Figure 5 3 3 Use your thumbs to gently press down on both ends of the DIMM module until it snaps into place in the slot Repeat for all modules 4 Press the release tabs to the locked posit...

Page 57: ...MMA1 P1 DIMMB1 1 CPU 4 DIMMs CPU1 P1 DIMMA1 P1 DIMMB1 P1 DIMMC1 P1 DIMMD1 1 CPU 5 8 DIMMs CPU1 P1 DIMMA1 P1 DIMMB1 P1 DIMMC1 P1 DIMMD1 Any memory pairs in P1 DIMMA2 P1 DIMMB2 P1 DIMMC2 P1 DIMMD2 slots...

Page 58: ...ry List posted on our website at http www supermicro com support resources mem cfm Populating RDIMM ECC Memory Modules Intel E5 2600 Series Processor RDIMM Memory Support Ranks Per DIMM Data Width Mem...

Page 59: ...1333 1066 1333 1066 1066 1333 Note For detailed information on memory support and updates please refer to the SMC Recommended Memory List posted on our website at http www supermicro com support reso...

Page 60: ...ling an Add on Card 1 Begin by removing the shield where the riser card is located 2 Fully seat the card into the slot on the riser pushing down with your thumbs evenly on both sides of the card 3 The...

Page 61: ...D P2 DIMME1 P2 DIMMF2 P2 DIMMF1 P2 DIMMG2 P2 DIMMG1 P2 DIMMH2 P2 DIMMH1 P1 DIMMA2 P1 DIMMA1 P1 DIMMB2 P1 DIMMB1 P1 DIMMC1 P1 DIMMC2 P1 DIMMD1 P1 DIMMD2 USB4 5 USB8 9 SLOT1 PCI E 3 0 X8 SLOT2 PCI E 3 0...

Page 62: ...ystem Fan Headers JD1 Speaker Power LED Indicator JF1 Front Panel Control Header JF2 LAN3 NIC3 LAN4 NIC4 LED Indicator Connector JIPMB1 4 pin External BMC I2 C Header for IPMI Card JL1 Chassis Intrusi...

Page 63: ...der BP USB 0 1 2 3 Back Panel USB 0 1 2 3 FP USB 4 5 USB 8 9 Front Panel Accessible USB Connections 4 5 8 9 FP USB 6 Type A USB Embedded Drive Connector VGA Backpanel VGA Port LED Description State St...

Page 64: ...n Pin Definitions JF1 Pin Definition 3 Reset 4 Ground Power Button Pin Definitions JF1 Pin Definition 1 Power Signal 2 Ground Secondary Power Connector JPW2 and JPW3 must also be con nected to the pow...

Page 65: ...round HDD LED Pin Definitions JF1 Pin Definition 13 Vcc 14 HD Active NIC2 LED The LED connections for LAN2 are on pins 9 and 10 of JF1 Attach an LED cable to display network activity See p 5 4 and the...

Page 66: ...wer On LED connector is lo cated on pins 15 and 16 of JF1 use JLED for a 3 pin connector This connection is used to provide LED indication of power being supplied to the system See p 5 4 and the table...

Page 67: ...itions Pin Definition 1 5V 2 PO 3 PO 4 Ground 5 NA LAN Ports Pin Definition Pin Definition 1 P2V5SB 10 SGND 2 TD0 11 Act LED 3 TD0 12 P3V3SB 4 TD1 13 Link 100 LED Yel low 3V3SB 5 TD1 14 Link 1000 LED...

Page 68: ...the onboard speaker please close pins 6 7 See the table on the right for speaker pin definitions Speaker Connector Pin Settings Pin Setting Definition Pins 4 7 External Speaker Pins 6 7 Internal Speak...

Page 69: ...der is located at JTPM1 to provide TPM support and a Port 80 connec tion Use this header to enhance system performance and data secu rity See the table on the right for pin definitions TPM Port 80 Hea...

Page 70: ...5V Standby 2 Ground 3 Wake up LAN3 LAN4 LED Indicators The NIC Network Interface Control ler LED connections for LAN Ports 3 and 4 are located on pins 3 4 and 1 2 of JF2 respectively Attach NIC LED c...

Page 71: ...1 CMOS Clear JBT1 is used to clear CMOS which will also clear any passwords Instead of pins this jumper consists of contact pads to prevent accidentally clearing the contents of CMOS To clear CMOS 1...

Page 72: ...ting Definition Pins 1 2 BMC Enable Pins 2 3 Disable Watch Dog Enable Disable Jumper JWD controls the Watch Dog function Watch Dog is a system moni tor that can reboot the system when a software appli...

Page 73: ...g or adding any components See the table on the right for more details IPMI Dedicated LAN LEDs An additional Dedicated IPMI LAN port is also located on the I O backplane The amber LED on the right ind...

Page 74: ...definitions SAS Ports Eight Serial Attached SCSI ports SAS 0 3 4 7 provide serial link connections These ports are sup ported by an LSI 2208 ccontroller See the table on the right for pin definitions...

Page 75: ...ed with your serverboard Driver Tool Installation Display Screen Note Click the icons showing a hand writing on paper to view the readme files for each item Click the computer icons to the right of th...

Page 76: ...nment and operations of your system SuperDoctor III displays crucial system information such as CPU temperature system voltages and fan status See the Figure below for a display of the SuperDoctor III...

Page 77: ...Interface Display Screen Remote Control Note The SuperDoctor III program and User s Manual can be downloaded from the Supermicro web site at http www supermicro com products accessories software Supe...

Page 78: ...tice is not strictly followed Figure 5 5 Installing the Onboard Battery LITHIUM BATTERY BATTERY HOLDER Please handle used batteries carefully Do not damage the battery in any way a damaged battery may...

Page 79: ...damage to any printed circuit boards PCBs it is important to handle them very carefully The following measures are generally sufficient to protect your equipment from ESD damage Precautions Use a gro...

Page 80: ...LEDs and the control panel buttons Details on JF1 can be found in Chapter 5 Advanced Serverboard Installation 6 3 System Cooling Six 4 cm heavy duty counter rotating fans provide the cooling for the...

Page 81: ...3 Remove the failed fan s wiring from the fan header on the serverboard 4 Lift the failed fan from the chassis and pull it completely out 5 Place the new fan into the vacant space in the housing while...

Page 82: ...sis Proceed to the DVD ROM Drive Installation section later in this chapter for instructions Note Only a slim DVD ROM drive will fit into the 1027R 73DAF Hard Drive Installation The hard drives are mo...

Page 83: ...the carrier and the release button is on the right side When the carrier reaches the rear of the bay the release handle will retract 5 Push the handle in until it clicks into its locked position Remo...

Page 84: ...s 2 Remove the chassis cover 3 Unplug the drives power and data cables from the serverboard and or back plane 4 If you are adding a new drive Remove the mini bezel grate from the drive bay The bezel c...

Page 85: ...t in the slot until the tab locks in place 6 Reconnect the data and power cables 7 Replace the chassis cover replace the server in the rack if necessary and power up the system Figure 6 5 Installing t...

Page 86: ...n Replacing the Power Supply Figure 6 6 1 Power down the server and unplug the AC power cord 2 Remove the two screws located on the side of the power supply bay and set them aside for later use 3 Gent...

Page 87: ...all the options that can be configured Grayed out options cannot be configured Options in blue can be configured by the user The right frame displays the key legend Above the key legend is an area res...

Page 88: ...ty From the main menu you can access the other setup screens An AMI BIOS identification string is displayed at the left bottom corner of the screen below the copyright message Warning Do not upgrade t...

Page 89: ...ab key to move between fields The date must be entered in Day MM DD YY format The time is entered in HH MM SS format Note The time is in the 24 hour format For example 5 30 P M appears as 17 30 00 Sup...

Page 90: ...the display mode for the Option ROM Select Keep Current to use the current AddOn ROM Display setting Select Force BIOS to use the Option ROM display mode set by the system BIOS The options are Keep C...

Page 91: ...s feature is set to 4 Seconds Override the system will power off when the user presses the power button for 4 seconds or longer The options are Instant Off and 4 Seconds Override Restore on AC Power L...

Page 92: ...whenever needed The options are Disabled and Enabled RTID Record Types IDs This feature displays the total number of Record Type IDs for local and remote pools The options are Optimal and Alternate Hy...

Page 93: ...feature is set to Disabled The CPU prefetches the cache line for 64 bytes If this feature is set to Enabled the CPU fetches both cache lines for 128 bytes as comprised The options are Disabled and Ena...

Page 94: ...lable when Power Technology is set to Custom Select Enabled to use the Turbo Mode to boost system performance The options are Enabled and Disabled C1E Support Available when Power Technology is set to...

Page 95: ...n Power Limit This item displays the power limit in watts set by the user during which long duration power is maintained The default setting is 0 Factory Long Duration Maintained This item displays th...

Page 96: ...resource for other tasks The options are Disabled and Enabled DCA Support When set to Enabled this feature uses Intel s DCA Direct Cache Access Technology to improve data transfer efficiency The opti...

Page 97: ...ns are Enabled and Disabled QPI Quick Path Interconnect Link Speed Mode Use this feature to select data transfer speed for QPI Link connections The options are Slow and Fast QPI Link Frequency Select...

Page 98: ...e specification The options are Force DDR3 800 Force DDR3 1066 Force DDR3 1333 Force DDR3 1600 and Force SPD and Auto Channel Interleaving This feature selects from the different channel interleaving...

Page 99: ...for the Intel PCH chip PCH Information This feature displays the following PCH information Name This item displays the name of the PCH chip Stepping This item displays the status of the PCH stepping U...

Page 100: ...port as detected by the BIOS SATA Mode Use this feature to configure SATA mode for a selected SATA port The options are Disabled IDE Mode AHCI Mode and RAID Mode The following are displayed depending...

Page 101: ...nabled to enable hot plug support for the particular port The options are Enabled and Disabled XPCIe PCI PnP Configuration PCI ROM Priority Use this feature to select the Option ROM to boot the system...

Page 102: ...port The options are Disabled Force L0s and Auto Warning Enabling ASPM support may cause some PCI E devices to fail CPU1 Slot 1 PCI E 3 0 x8 OPROM CPU1 Slot 2 PCI E 3 0 x8 OPROM CPU2 Slot 3 PCI E 3 0...

Page 103: ...item displays the settings of Serial Port 1 Change Settings This option specifies the base I O port address and the Interrupt Request address of Serial Port 1 Select Disabled to prevent the serial por...

Page 104: ...he following Console Redirection settings for a COM Port specified by the user Console Redirection Select Enabled to use a COM Port selected by the user for Console Redirection The options are Enabled...

Page 105: ...end of a serial data packet Select 1 Stop Bit for standard serial data communication Select 2 Stop Bits if slower devices are used The options are 1 and 2 Flow Control This feature allows the user to...

Page 106: ...with a remote server The options are COM1 and COM2 SOL Terminal Type This feature allows the user to select the target terminal emulation type for Con sole Redirection Select VT100 to use the ASCII ch...

Page 107: ...ess ACPI support The options are Enabled and Disabled High Precision Event Timer Select Enabled to activate the High Precision Event Timer HPET that produces periodic interrupts at a much higher frequ...

Page 108: ...c tive or deactivated TPM Owner Status This item displays the status of TPM Ownership XIntel TXT LT SX Configuration Intel TXT LT SX Hardware Support This feature indicates if the following hardware c...

Page 109: ...use IQN format The following actions can also be performed Add an Attempt Delete Attempts Commit Discard Changes and Exit Change Attempt Order Commit Discard Changes and Exit Intel Ethernet Controller...

Page 110: ...he duration for LEDs to blink The range is from 0 15 seconds The default setting is 0 PORT CONFIGURATION INFORMATION This section displays the following port information UEFI Driver Adapter PBA Chip T...

Page 111: ...tem Management BIOS Event Logging during system boot The options are Enabled and Disabled Runtime Error Logging Support Select Enabled to support Runtime Error Logging The options are Enabled and Disa...

Page 112: ...ng and Erase Immediately SMBIOS Event Log Standard Settings Log System Boot Event Select Enabled to log system boot events The options are Disabled and Enabled MECI Multiple Event Count Increment Ente...

Page 113: ...stalled in your system XSystem Event Log Enabling Disabling Options SEL Components Select Enabled for all system event logging at bootup The options are Enabled and Disabled Erasing Settings Erase SEL...

Page 114: ...effect when the system is rebooted The options are No and Yes Configuration Address Source This feature allows the user to select the source of the IP address for this computer If Static is selected y...

Page 115: ...ystem Boot Option Priorities Boot Option 1 Boot Option 2 Boot Option 3 etc Use this feature to specify the sequence of boot device priority Network Devices Hard Disk Drives Use these options to set th...

Page 116: ...a password entry is required Select Setup to require the password only when entering setup Select Always to require the pass word when entering setup and on each boot The options are Setup and Always...

Page 117: ...Reset When you have completed the system configuration changes select this option to save the changes and reboot the computer so that the new system configuration settings can take effect Select Save...

Page 118: ...aults Select this feature and press Enter to save the current settings as the user s defaults When the dialog box appears asking you if you want to save values as user s defaults select Yes to save th...

Page 119: ...system manufacturer for possible repairs These fatal errors are usually communicated through a series of audible beeps The numbers on the fatal error list correspond to the number of beeps for the cor...

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Page 121: ...ity Sixteen DIMM sockets supporting up to 512 GB of RDIMM ECC LRDIMM or ECC non ECC UDIMM DDR3 1600 1333 1066 800 type memory Note see Section 5 6 for details Drive Bays Eight hot swap drive bays to h...

Page 122: ...ty 8 to 90 non condensing Non operating Relative Humidity 5 to 95 non condensing Regulatory Compliance Electromagnetic Emissions FCC Class A EN 55022 Class A EN 61000 3 2 3 3 CISPR 22 Class A Electrom...

Page 123: ...B 3 Appendix B System Specifications Notes...

Page 124: ...erform be reasonably expected to result in significant injury or loss of life or catastrophic property damage Accordingly Supermicro dis claims any and all liability and should buyer use or sell such...